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One of the major problems of powering anything by using a human to turn a crank is not the amount of power produced. Rather, it is the rpm band where that power is produced. This is also an issue with any other recriprocating engine, be it steam, gasoline, or diesel fueled. Each has a specific rpm range in which the engine produces a useful amount of torque (twisting force). In a gasoline car engine, the useful power band ranges from around 1,300 rpm to 6,000 or more. Racing engines and motorcycles can make power at over 10,000 rpm. Diesels are a lot more limited, making useful power from 1,000 to 3,000 rpm. Ever wonder why a semi-truck shifts so many times when accelerating away from an intersection? Its because the driving wheels accelerate and reach a point where the gearing to the motor limits any further acceleration by forcing the motor to try to turn faster than it would like to. Too fast and the torque of the motor diminishes. Therefore, the driver shifts to the next higher gear. The motor can again turn slow enough to remain in its power band.
So what's that got to do with kinetics? Well, humans have an extremely narrow power band. An average-sized man can produce around 200 foot-pounds of torque when pedaling a bicycle. BUT, he can only do so by pushing on the pedals very hard. And we all know that you can pedal hard, or you can pedal fast, but not both. At 60 rpm, a human pedaling a bicycle can make more torque than many car engines. But at 120 rpm, a human is maxed out an produces less torque than a leaf blower. So, in order to take advantage of the narrow power band of a human, some enterprising fellow around 100 years ago started adding additional cogs to his rear wheel. And just like the semi-truck (that copied the bicycle), the rider of a 10-speed (or more if you've got 'em) can shift gears to achieve the best combination of rpm and torque.
Now in kinetics, drivetrains often must be more complex than a bike. Especially when a kineticist is attempting to build a craft that is useful in its own way. Maybe it would have 16 people all pedaling. Maybe two people want to pedal side by side, but are of different abilities and need individual gearing and the ability to coast if they want to. One way solve this type of problem is to add multiple bicycle freewheels to a single shaft (a jack-shaft) which gathers all of the power from the various humans, and then channels it into the driving axle via a single master-chain. But, freewheels are designed to work on bicycles, not jack-shafts. In order to get one part to mate with another, you'll need an adapter.
A freewheel adapter could be made by machining steel in a lathe. That would be the right way. But as kineticists usually aren't machinists, we must improvise. So lets say you cut the axle out of a rear bike wheel. Then you cut off its left side and center with a grinder. Now you've got a chunk of metal that a freewheel will screw onto. Good. Assuming you took out the wheel's axle and bearings before you hacked at it with the grinder (you did, right?) you can now drill out the resulting hole to the correct diameter for your new jackshaft. To keep the chunk from spinning on the shaft, you'll probably need to weld a nut to the side of the chunk where it was cut off. This is the inside edge of the right hub flange, for you bike-geeks. Assume now that you've just done that. Looks good. You bolt it together and try it. After a few minutes, your adapter is slipping on your shaft. It gets worse, and then fails completely. What went wrong?
Tempering. No, not yours, the adapter's. Bike hubs are made of steel that is hardened by heating and rapid cooling. Ditto on nuts and bolts. When you welded one to the other, you heated the metal hot enough to undo that process. And if you didn't retemper the steel, it won't be hard enough to withstand all of the force that will be applied to it. The threads will tear right out of your little adapter and make a real mess of your day. So how to you retemper the steel? Rapid and controlled cooling. With what? How fast? Well, that is subject to reading, learning, and experimentation. Getting it right means your kinetic super-recycled bicycle transmission will withstand the event. Getting it wrong means you're gonna have to get off and push.
So get out there and start experimenting. On kinetics day, we'll see how well you do.
Dr. (scott) Diabolical
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Fabulous post!
Freewheel adapters are available commercially for very little money, but only for 5/8" and 15mm shafts. The source is one of the major bicycle parts wholesalers -- J&B Importers. They do not sell retail, but their catalog is available for study on the internet. Then you go to a bicycle store that carries their products and order the parts there.
Adapter for 5/8" is part number 6702200.
Adapter for 15mm is part number 6702199.
Last I looked, they cost ten bucks.
A couple of years ago, I had a batch of 100 adapters made for 3/4" shaft. I sold them at my cost, $15. (To have just a couple of them made generally costs around $50 -- or more.) Regretably, I am all out of them, and I cannot afford to order a new batch for a while. They wil cost a bit more to make now, and I should probably take a penny or two for my time, so I'm guessing they will leave here for $25 each. I'll probably have several hundred made this time, but it will be months before I can front that much cash.
An important point that was mentioned above, is that each rider MUST have his own freewheel. Oh... It can be done without, but I STRONGLY discourage you from trying (from personal experience, yes).
As for gear ratios, I have found it to be somewhat acceptable to have only a handful of gears on a Kinetic Kontraption. When you need to downshift, you simply allow your road speed to drop until your feet are down to something like 60 RPMs again. This is mentally difficult to accept, but will get you thru the course.
What you MUST have, is a wide enough spread between your lowest and your highest ratios. Paul Vibrans, a professional engineer and long-time Kinetic Racer, has calculated that a typical Kinetic Kontraptions which weighs roughly the same as its pilots needs a range of ratios of 1600 %. For comparison, typical bicycles and automobiles have a range of around 300 %. I have raced with 900 %, and it was not enough. I have one now with 1200 %, and it is "getting there". Given my druthers, I'd probably have 2000 %.
The most common way to rate bicycle gearing is by "Gear Inches". Go to the Sheldon Brown - Harris Cyclery web site and you can find the late great Sheldon Brown's simple explanation of Gear Inches (though he predicted this system will eventually be replaced with something metric). The Gear Inch system is based on the diameter of the tire. With a 26" tire and 1:1 sprockets (lowest gear on a mountain bike), you would have 26 GI. High gear on a road racer is well over 100 GI. For KSR, you will want to get down below 5 GI. (To illustrate, 2000 % of 5 GI would be 100 GI.)
I now have 12 days to build a whole BUNCH of this stuff! LOL!
For The Glory!
Elliot
Elliot;
Clearlake, Northern California,
"Henry Ford Goes Surfing",
"Pear County Chopper",
"Two Ton Tricycle"
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Two fanatstic opinions which I have no idea about. I read it and by the end, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. This is what drives me to compete in Kinetics. I have stumbled upon a paddle wheel that works quite well for me and stays within my budget. I am quite limited to my construction abilities, with only 2 power tools to my name. Back in 2002, I made a 4 foot paddle wheel that has stood the test of time and mud. The funny thing is my paddle wheel is a one to one ratio. No Gears, no free wheel, no bearings, no engineering points here. The proudest day of my life (yikes) was in 2003 when my craft was 4th across Boulder Res. Now, I dropped down to 23rd place over the land, but its a start. Since then, I've redesigned a lighter paddle wheel which still needs a little work but holds true to my one to one ratio gearing. Nothing but metal on wood and lots of friction. Now with that in mind, who wants to help me this year.
I was wondering if anybody else thought of doing a similiar theme this year: "WHEN PIGS FLY (OR THE SWINE FLEW). Yuck-yuck !!!
Twinkieman (in pigs clothing)
TwinkieMan
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"...I have no idea what you guys are talking about."
As you have --to your immense credit -- figured out, this is OK! (Just try to be competitive in, say, automobile racing on that basis! LOL)
To be sure, for efficiency, a paddle wheel should be a tall as possible, with only a tiny bit of it in the water. This transfers the most of your energy into forward motion. (I'm told that when a paddle wheel is submerged to the axle, only 15 % of your energy goes to forward motion -- the rest goes to "churning butter".)
My first Kinetic Kontraption had no gears at all -- just one "general purpose" ratio. Worked great on water and flat ground. Up-hill... fuggeddaboutit. LOL! Yet it was IMMENSELY successful -- in that people loved the looks of it. So it shall get gears when I rebuild it.
Elliot;
Clearlake, Northern California,
"Henry Ford Goes Surfing",
"Pear County Chopper",
"Two Ton Tricycle"
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Elliot,
About those machined adapters... My best info. leads me to believe that they are threaded for a bmx style single-cog freewheel, which I seem to recall has a different thread standard than that used on most 5-7 speed freewheels. Am I right about this? I've been looking at http://www.bikepartsusa.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?&category=bicycle%2Dtrike%5Fparts&start=0
Assuming you're following me on the design of the jackshaft, which would be from left to right: freewheel, chainring, freewheel, and I want to use 5/6-speed shimano style freewheels, would the 15mm shaft, bearings, and adapters be the way to go? At this point, my weldments are pretty ugly and I'm only using a 1/2" jackshaft made from a threaded rod. Dunno how long this setup is going to last. I'm also planning a much bigger and heavier craft for next year, maybe even to compete in CA. So I'll be looking for a much more robust design for the future.
Thanks,
Dr (scott) Diabolical
PS: Don't sweat it Twinkie. I've already screwed up my best chainring by welding on it. Looks like a Pringle. Shoulda known better. Plan B involves the use of an old circular saw blade and several bolts! Ugly, but I think it'll work.
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The only thread I'm familiar with is 1.375 diameter, 24 TPI. This is the BMX style, yes. But I have found multispeed "clusters" that fit on the same -- just don't know what they are named. Bicycle rear wheel hubs come in a gazillion designs -- or so it seems to me. I do not know what will fit what.
My adapters look just like the Miami Sun trike adapters on that site. Probably the J&B parts I mentioned.
For shafts, I use industrial keyed shafting. Not cheap, but a real problem-solver.
You describe your jackshaft as having two inputs and one output. Does that mean you are using a differential? If so... why? I have had great luck with separate drives on each side. Can help you steer in sand, too. And diffs are so prone to failure.
I have a professional engineering drawing of my adapter. The engineer released it to the KSR community. It is in PDF format. I would have to experiment a bit to remember / figure out how to post it.
Elliot;
Clearlake, Northern California,
"Henry Ford Goes Surfing",
"Pear County Chopper",
"Two Ton Tricycle"
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